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I had the same dilemma re. the thermostat, well that was until Jamie sent me info for the revised Ford part so I went with that, plus it's cheaper at £8 compared to Mishimoto's £55.

I still like to monitor my coolant temp, before upgrade my coolant temp sat between 93 to 97C, occasionally went just over 100c and would instantly drop down to mid 90's, isn't the original thermostat rated at something like 97C? so things were working as intended.

After my cooling upgrades on drive home from H-sport coolant temp slowly crept up to 91C once then dropped to mid 80's, Jordan did give me 1ltr of coolant and said it might need topping up when home, it did I topped it up with about 350ml.

Since that day my coolant temp has not gone above 86C, usually sits at 84C, faster I go the lower it drops, so I'm guessing the revised 82C thermostat is helping keep coolant around 84C, not sure what the 70C Mishimoto unit would do, would it keep the coolant around low to mid 70's I don't know, I guess that would be handy on a track car but not sure I'd want my pampered road car coolant temps that low.

If I hadn't been fortunate to get a Mountune radiator I was going go Pro Alloy, this one isn't triple pass like MT's but I'm sure it would be more than adequate, another option would be Airtec.
 

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Yeah I was thinking the 70C thermostat might be a bit low for a road car.
Unless I get very lucky, I doubt I'll get my hands on a Mountune rad, unless I want to pay 200+ for shipping from the states.

Nice price difference between the Pro Alloy and Airtec ones, would there be much difference in terms of performance do you know?
I also see Koyo have made one, they've generally been a good brand, have one of their rads on my DC2.
 

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Yeah I was thinking the 70C thermostat might be a bit low for a road car.
Unless I get very lucky, I doubt I'll get my hands on a Mountune rad, unless I want to pay 200+ for shipping from the states.

Nice price difference between the Pro Alloy and Airtec ones, would there be much difference in terms of performance do you know?
I also see Koyo have made one, they've generally been a good brand, have one of their rads on my DC2.
I'm not familiar with Koyo.

I know Spark Plug Steve and @alex98uk 's brother has the Airtec radiator, SPS is doing well on track, I just prefer Pro Alloy to Airtec.

Have you priced up a MT rad from US with delivery and import tax compared to Pro Alloy?
 

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Yeah the Mountune one works out about €1008 compared to €886 for the Pro Alloy one, roughly, using an online calculator.
Airtec one then is €524.

Koyo one looks to be similar in price to Mountune, if I can find someone outside the US that stocks if.
 

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My brother is running the Airtec with a modified fan shroud. We saw Spark Plugs Steve had cut his shroud and actually, Steve was down at H-Sport when I was there, so I chatted to him about it.

Performance wise, it's not as good as the Mountune/CSF. It's only a single pass, not triple pass. However, it's cheaper and it performs better then stock.

My brother was struggling with limp mode and hitting 120c on track. With the Airtec, he's seen an absolute max of 110c on track, during a hot day.

So it works, but you get what you pay for.
 

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My brother is running the Airtec with a modified fan shroud. We saw Spark Plugs Steve had cut his shroud and actually, Steve was down at H-Sport when I was there, so I chatted to him about it.

Performance wise, it's not as good as the Mountune/CSF. It's only a single pass, not triple pass. However, it's cheaper and it performs better then stock.

My brother was struggling with limp mode and hitting 120c on track. With the Airtec, he's seen an absolute max of 110c on track, during a hot day.

So it works, but you get what you pay for.
Question/s on the fan shroud mod thing as I can't actually find any clear pictures of it.
Is it just trimming the extra plastic off and just leaving the fan?
Would it be more a track car thing or would a road car benefit as much? I always assumed blocking the back of the rad like that would trap heat when you're not moving, Pro Alloy mention leaving it be for a road car, but that could just be them covering themselves.
 

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The shroud allows the fan to better pull air through the rad when stationary. It channels airflow. For a road car potentially in traffic during hot weather, I wouldn't cut it.

For a track car or weekend car on normally clear roads, you have sufficient airflow to not need a shroud.

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Thank you kind sir.
I'll probably keep the shroud intact on mine so, it's the rush hour traffic I've noticed the temp creeping up so lots of sitting in traffic.

Think i might go for the Pro Alloy rad, it's a nice bit of kit.
That I'll only ever see the top of after its fitted :LOL:
 

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Yeah the Mountune one works out about €1008 compared to €886 for the Pro Alloy one, roughly, using an online calculator.
Ouch! before you mentioned the price I would have gone for the MT rad if it was around £100ish more but over 1k euros is pricy for what could be classed as a preventative mod.

There's a bit of a story behind how I got my MT rad, Alex PM'd me letting me know one was for sale on eBay, my £300 offer was accepted and I paid, I know the seller has connections with MT, he mentioned the rad was brand new/ex display and promised to send it the following day, the next day I got a very apologetic PM saying the rad was damaged and I would be getting a refund, apparently damage was only noticed while boxing it up (yeah right), I replied saying I guess he'd got a better offer, anyway sale was cancelled I got a refund. Think it was a week or so after Alex the eBay searching guru PM'd me again saying the rad was up for sale again, same pics, same text but this time it was Mountune themselves selling it, it was up for £250 so I bought it, well at first I offered £230 but a few mins later thought it wasn't worth losing it for £20 so bought it.

Moral of that story is if you promise to supply some decent German beer to Alex he'll find you a Mountune Radiator, there's a chance he might even find you two :LOL:
 

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Ouch! before you mentioned the price I would have gone for the MT rad if it was around £100ish more but over 1k euros is pricy for what could be classed as a preventative mod.

There's a bit of a story behind how I got my MT rad, Alex PM'd me letting me know one was for sale on eBay, my £300 offer was accepted and I paid, I know the seller has connections with MT, he mentioned the rad was brand new/ex display and promised to send it the following day, the next day I got a very apologetic PM saying the rad was damaged and I would be getting a refund, apparently damage was only noticed while boxing it up (yeah right), I replied saying I guess he'd got a better offer, anyway sale was cancelled I got a refund. Think it was a week or so after Alex the eBay searching guru PM'd me again saying the rad was up for sale again, same pics, same text but this time it was Mountune themselves selling it, it was up for £250 so I bought it, well at first I offered £230 but a few mins later thought it wasn't worth losing it for £20 so bought it.

Moral of that story is if you promise to supply some decent German beer to Alex he'll find you a Mountune Radiator, there's a chance he might even find you two :LOL:

Yeah they're not the cheapest once customs have had their way with you.
Think the Pro Alloy intercooler worked out around the €800 ish mark in the end.

I need to find an Alex to bribe with beer to locate cheaper parts for me :LOL:

Must order the rad soon so I can add it to the growing pile of large boxes taking up space in the sitting room.
 

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And that'll be one Pro Alloy radiator ordered.
I decided to look up videos of thermostat replacements, seeing as I'll be ordering that from Ford in the next day or so. That is not a small job.

With the intercooler needing fitting as well I'll likely end up taking the front of the car off and do the radiator and intercooler at the same time, but that thermostat doesn't look easy to get at.

I may book a week off work in case anything goes wrong.
 

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Had some spare time today and the weather was supposed to be crap, it wasn't, so decided to fit the shifter base bushings and gearknob I got from SD.

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I got that done quicker than I was expecting, so thought "Ah I'll fit the crossover pipe and intake hose, can't be too tricky"....

Tried to get the crossover pipe loosened off without taking off the windscreen cowling, that did not go well, so sighed and started pulling the car apart.
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Did you ever start a job and about half way through realise you shouldn't have? This was one of those.

Loads of swearing, scrapes and the odd cut later, mainly from one clip, I got the Pro Alloy crossover pipe fitted
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Plenty more swearing followed trying to get the intake hose onto the crossover pipe. It being bigger made things a bit more difficult, but got there eventually.
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Tried to fit the connector to the intake pipe, would not go on.
Checked it against the old one, looked and felt the same size but it must have been a tad bigger as it was go in about 2mm and that was it.
Pried it off and pulled the one out of my ramair pipe to compare, it looks like it wasn't machined out properly.
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Stuck the ramair one in and connected everything back up
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While I had it all apart, I decided to check the quick shifter to see if it was hitting something and causing the popping out of second gear issue.
Looks like it's hitting the side of it so will need to do something about that. Might get the Mountune one instead as that seems to sit lower. I also seen a short shift arm that goes onto the gearbox instead so that could also be an alternative.
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How do the bushings feel?

Any real difference?
Haven't brought it for a drive yet as the crossover pipe took a bit longer than I was expecting.
From sitting in it after fitting them, it might be a slight bit tighter changing gears, I might notice it more when I go for a spin.
 

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I got that done quicker than I was expecting, so thought "Ah I'll fit the crossover pipe and intake hose, can't be too tricky"....

Tried to get the crossover pipe loosened off without taking off the windscreen cowling, that did not go well, so sighed and started pulling the car apart.
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Did you ever start a job and about half way through realise you shouldn't have? This was one of those.

Loads of swearing, scrapes and the odd cut later, mainly from one clip, I got the Pro Alloy crossover pipe fitted
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Plenty more swearing followed trying to get the intake hose onto the crossover pipe. It being bigger made things a bit more difficult, but got there eventually.
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Tried to fit the connector to the intake pipe, would not go on.
Checked it against the old one, looked and felt the same size but it must have been a tad bigger as it was go in about 2mm and that was it.
Pried it off and pulled the one out of my ramair pipe to compare, it looks like it wasn't machined out properly.
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View attachment 588372 View attachment 588373 Stuck the ramair one in and connected everything back up View attachment 588374

While I had it all apart, I decided to check the quick shifter to see if it was hitting something and causing the popping out of second gear issue.
Looks like it's hitting the side of it so will need to do something about that. Might get the Mountune one instead as that seems to sit lower. I also seen a short shift arm that goes onto the gearbox instead so that could also be an alternative.
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It will go on. Remove the oem hose clip and replace it with a jubilee.
 

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So, while I'm waiting for my radiator to be built - Pro Alloy said should be shipped out this week - I've been deciding on exhausts as I'll likely buy one this week or next.
I'll be going for a Milltek one, I'd have liked the titanium tipped one, but there's a nice price difference between the standard and titanium tips and the exhaust will already work out around €1200 for it and the downpipe.

I'm trying to make my mind up between the non res non race and non res race versions, is there much of a difference sound wise between them?
I don't want to end up with one that drones on the motorway either as that's 90% of my driving.
 

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I'm trying to make my mind up between the non res non race and non res race versions, is there much of a difference sound wise between them?
I don't want to end up with one that drones on the motorway either as that's 90% of my driving.
As I've wrote a million times on here (sorry) I have the non-res and it was very quite for a couple of years and slowly got louder, my lad went for the non-res RACE and the loudness imho was perfect from the off, you won't get any drone with either.

My opinion is if you want near stock loudness at low rpms but a little deeper tone and a bit more sound when pressing on go non-res.

If you want a bit more sound throughout the rev range, deeper tone with nice burbles go non-res RACE.

I can guarantee the RACE version won't be too loud but there's a very good chance non race might be too quiet, saying that I've not driven these cars with de-cat, my opinions are based on stock cat and sports cat.

If my exhaust fell off tomorrow I'd get non-res RACE but I've got more noise from the S280, I'll contradict myself now but if I was stock turbo I'd probably go Scorpion non-res for a bit more sound.
 
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