[coilkat]

A reinvented Ford is coming… - YouTube

Ford have already said there is going to be an all electric Puma and 2 other SUVs.

I wonder what this one will be? I wonder if they will reuse one of the other model names like they did with the Mustang, Puma and Cougar/Kuga

 

[Keithsson]

A reinvented Ford is coming… - YouTube

Ford have already said there is going to be an all electric Puma and 2 other SUVs.

I wonder what this one will be? I wonder if they will reuse one of the other model names like they did with the Mustang, Puma and Cougar/Kuga

"Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the new all electric Ford Mondeo" 😔

 

[Edisrag]

Not sure how true it is (or if it's widely known?) The local dealer told me the Puma is going to be the smallest car Ford make moving forward. Obviously I know they're doing away with the Fiesta and Focus, I just assumed something would replace them.

 

[fa13sta]

There was talk of this a few years ago.. no idea if it's still on the cards?

Ford Fiesta plant to build new 'mini Mustang Mach-e' electric car from 2023 | Auto Express

New all-electric Ford 'mini Mustang Mach-e' will be built on the VW Group’s MEB platform at the Fiesta’s home in Cologne

www.autoexpress.co.uk

 

[AMc]

Not sure how true it is (or if it's widely known?) The local dealer told me the Puma is going to be the smallest car Ford make moving forward. Obviously I know they're doing away with the Fiesta and Focus, I just assumed something would replace them.

Yeah...the Puma.

 

[Keithsson]

Not sure how true it is (or if it's widely known?) The local dealer told me the Puma is going to be the smallest car Ford make moving forward. Obviously I know they're doing away with the Fiesta and Focus, I just assumed something would replace them.

That's very old news to studious observers here I'm afraid. The coffin lid was nailed down a year ago, maybe even two now, when Ford Europe's 'big vision' was laid out in that infamous video presentation. It showed the new projected electric line-up and the big fat Puma SUV was indeed the 'smallest' lump there.

Some thought it a simple oversight but big companies don't do anything by mistake, they were preparing us for their future, a future without hatchbacks, without saloons even. And in just a few short months now we'll get that image of the last ever Fiesta rolling off the line.

Or then again maybe we won't, it's such a monumentally shameful turnaround that even they must be embarrassed at how they culled what was for years and years the biggest selling car. Maybe Ford will just quietly cut the line and hope no-one notices, a fanfare is not really in their interests, maybe all we'll get is a sympathetic Ford word worker disclosing 'that's it folks'.

Such a shame, so undeniably self defeating.

Will, one day long in the future, the name be repurposed into something electric?, maybe. But if what they mutated the old, low, small, sporty Puma hot hatch into is any guide it'll probably be the first seven seat Fiesta with bull bars and an externally mounted spare tyre... the 'Fiesta Fat F***' 👎🏻

 

[Keithsson]

There was talk of this a few years ago.. no idea if it's still on the cards?

Ford Fiesta plant to build new 'mini Mustang Mach-e' electric car from 2023 | Auto Express

New all-electric Ford 'mini Mustang Mach-e' will be built on the VW Group’s MEB platform at the Fiesta’s home in Cologne

www.autoexpress.co.uk

Y'see on just a 2D image on a blank background that could pass as a proposed Fiesta Mk9, there's no context or scale. But you just know in real life it'll be longer, fatter and most obviously taller than a Fiesta. Like the modern day Puma, not a small hot hatch but an SUV.

Shame really because it doesn't look totally glopping but I know I could never bring myself to have one in the future because of what it represents. The old saying 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em' just doesn't work for me. I'd simply look elsewhere, a non Ford, and I'm a dyed in the wool Ford man.

There's a series on Quest currently called 'Motor Pickers' and next week (23rd at 21:30 if anyone is interested) they're going through Hybrid Hot Hatches for someone to choose. I'll watch with passing interest (hiding the remote so I don't throw it at the TV if/when they try and pass a Puma off as a hot hatch) but if anything were to happen to mine after good, low mileage, unmolested FiST's become like rocking horse poop I wouldn't chose a Ford SUV on principle.

Likewise the Focus. I have the Fiesta for fun and the Focus estate for practical day to day use. If anything happened to that and a good, low mileage one was hard to find I wouldn't swap to something taller, fatter but with less space in the back just to stay loyal. Ford weren't loyal to hot hatch and 'normal' car lovers, I'd 100% go elsewhere.

It's just so short sighted and self defeating to have chosen to take this path. What company just cuts it's two most popular and profitable products?... and then refuses to countenance producing a newer alternative?

Its nuts 🤪

 

[fa13sta]

Y'see on just a 2D image on a blank background that could pass as a proposed Fiesta Mk9, there's no context or scale. But you just know in real life it'll be longer, fatter and most obviously taller than a Fiesta. Like the modern day Puma, not a small hot hatch but an SUV.

Shame really because it doesn't look totally glopping but I know I could never bring myself to have one in the future because of what it represents. The old saying 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em' just doesn't work for me. I'd simply look elsewhere, a non Ford, and I'm a dyed in the wool Ford man.

There's a series on Quest currently called 'Motor Pickers' and next week (23rd at 21:30 if anyone is interested) they're going through Hybrid Hot Hatches for someone to choose. I'll watch with passing interest (hiding the remote so I don't throw it at the TV if/when they try and pass a Puma off as a hot hatch) but if anything were to happen to mine after good, low mileage, unmolested FiST's become like rocking horse poop I wouldn't chose a Ford SUV on principle.

Likewise the Focus. I have the Fiesta for fun and the Focus estate for practical day to day use. If anything happened to that and a good, low mileage one was hard to find I wouldn't swap to something taller, fatter but with less space in the back just to stay loyal. Ford weren't loyal to hot hatch and 'normal' car lovers, I'd 100% go elsewhere.

It's just so short sighted and self defeating to have chosen to take this path. What company just cuts it's two most popular and profitable products?... and then refuses to countenance producing a newer alternative?

Its nuts 🤪

100% agree with you, I won't be switching to electric either.

It's been 2 years since that article was written and I haven't found anything about it since. My guess is they floated the idea then changed their minds.

Who would want an 2 tonne electric VW Fiesta Mach E mini anyway? 😆

 

[Keithsson]

...and yet you just know that's the direction they're heading, they've said so.

Don't get me wrong @fa13sta i'm not opposed to alternative power sources per se, be they electric, or hydrogen, or something we haven't even invented yet. If I live long enough there may well come a time when when I have to have one, I'm no climate change luddite.

But I fail to see why that means I have to have an alien body shape too. Over half a century on this planet being transported round in either hatchbacks, saloons or estates it's too late for me to 'cross over' to cross overs or climb up into quasi agricultural vehicles. There's no necessity for EV's to all be bigger, it's only the power source that's changing.

It'll be interesting to see what this new all EV model is next week... but it won't be a hatchback or saloon 🙄

 

[fa13sta]

...and yet you just know that's the direction they're heading, they've said so.

Don't get me wrong @fa13sta i'm not opposed to alternative power sources per se, be they electric, or hydrogen, or something we haven't even invented yet. If I live long enough there may well come a time when when I have to have one, I'm no climate change luddite.

But I fail to see why that means I have to have an alien body shape too. Over half a century on this planet being transported round in either hatchbacks, saloons or estates it's too late for me to 'cross over' to cross overs or climb up into quasi agricultural vehicles. There's no necessity for EV's to all be bigger, it's only the power source that's changing.

It'll be interesting to see what this new all EV model is next week... but it won't be a hatchback or saloon 🙄

I'm not against new power sources either, on one condition: they're viable.

BEVs clearly aren't. The only reason everyone is going down this route is because politicians say it's the correct - and only - solution.

Oh well.. 😆

 

[Keithsson]

It's not the only option but it was the one that was viable at short notice as the emergency became apparent. Maybe not right then, but definitely 'right now'. Far be it for me to stand up for politicians but at least they're doing something, they usually sit on their hands and kick things into the long grass.

 

[AMc]

EVs do need to be bigger, with current technology, in order to have similar range to ICE vehicles. Smaller EV options out there don't have large enough battery packs to do 3/400 miles on a single charge.

 

[fa13sta]

It's not the only option but it was the one that was viable at short notice as the emergency became apparent. Maybe not right then, but definitely 'right now'. Far be it for me to stand up for politicians but at least they're doing something, they usually sit on their hands and kick things into the long grass.

Unsurprisingly it's the same politicians telling us about their "emergency", but there's a risk we might go off topic with this.. 😆

 

[Keithsson]

Fair point @AMc, as things stand. But depending what the cars are used for, range needn't be the be all and end all. The small hatchback isn't typically a touring vehicle, its a runabout. But I take your point.

I'm banking on the same 'bang for buck' advances as already seen in solar and wind power. More squeezed into less, efficiency over size.

I'd say there's a sweet spot (more of a sour spot really) in around 10 years time where if this car goes pop battery technology won't have caught up sufficiently to leave the 'small fun car' option on the table for me.

'She' isn't convinced already that I need this option, its referred to as 'the toy' or after a tyre change last week 'the moneypit' 🙄

If we were to go down to one car, it might well never come back. Weird innit, you'd have bet your left nut up to a year or so ago that there'd always be a Ford hot hatch of some kind.

 

[Keithsson]

Unsurprisingly it's the same politicians telling us about their "emergency", but there's a risk we might go off topic with this.. 😆

My eyes inform me of the problem, not politicians. But yes, that's probably a whole other website, let alone another thread 😆

 

[VESTO]

is it really that hard to have fossil fuel and elecric cars, i mean alot of people now if given the option would choose electric over petrol on their own accord.

when i inevitably sell the Fist i would be open to electric, if they ever become cheaper .

if people were left to their own i think people who are most suited to electric will eventually go electric and those suited to hybrid , ICE will find themselves in those cars.

but forcing electric upon people will make people who are suited to electric hate it, because they just want to go against a change that is being forced.

 

[fa13sta]

is it really that hard to have fossil fuel and elecric cars, i mean alot of people now if given the option would choose electric over petrol on their own accord.

when i inevitably sell the Fist i would be open to electric, if they ever become cheaper .

if people were left to their own i think people who are most suited to electric will eventually go electric and those suited to hybrid , ICE will find themselves in those cars.

but forcing electric upon people will make people who are suited to electric hate it, because they just want to go against a change that is being forced.

Forcing electric cars on people when there's no spare electricity isn't going to work that well either..

It isn't us making the rules though, it's our political masters. I agree with you, but that makes no difference outside of this forum (or even in it for that matter 😆).

 

[Tsotsi8787]

I'll just leave this here....

 

[fa13sta]

I'll just leave this here....
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It was a VW Fiesta Mach E mini after all! 😆

 

[VESTO]

God damn....

Ford just don’t know their place as a brand, that thing looks like it will easily cost €40k plus.

They need to realise what their brand is, there trying to get bmw,merc, Lexus etc.. buyers to switch to them.
A company that does this well is Ryanair, they know their customers and don’t sugarcoat their product , what you see is what you get and they don’t hide it.

And the blue oval no matter how hard they try won’t have the status of bmw , merc ‘ Lexus in the premium vehicle market