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#1,786 · (Edited by Moderator)
Pyrres said:
Reviews always quote the manual/brochure etc. Nobody seems to take the time and measure the cars properly.
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Agree, cars tend to be heavier than stated on brochure, 100%.

But I'm not so much interested in the absolute value here as opposed to the relative quoted figure between mk7 and mk8. If the quoted number is 100kg difference I would expect this difference to be maintained even if both cars are heavier than the quoted figure as it's the same manufacturer.

i.e. if the mk7 is heavier than brochure then mk8 will also correspondingly heavier than its brochure figure one would expect.
 
#1,787 ·
brogrammer said:
Agree, cars tend to be heavier than stated on brochure, 100%.

But I'm not so much interested in the absolute value here as opposed to the relative quoted figure between mk7 and mk8. If the quoted number is 100kg difference I would expect this difference to be maintained even if both cars are heavier than the quoted figure as it's the same manufacturer.

i.e. if the mk7 is heavier than brochure then mk8 will also correspondingly heavier than its brochure figure one would expect.
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Yeah but if the measured values are correct MK8 is not that much heavier. And I can certainly say that it doesnt feel heavier when accelerating etc. If it is it hides it well.
 
#1,788 ·
Pyrres said:
Yeah but if the measured values are correct MK8 is not that much heavier. And I can certainly say that it doesnt feel heavier when accelerating etc. If it is it hides it well.
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Sorry what measured values are being referred to here? Anyhow would be interesting when some members on here come back with measurements.

It does have better tyres if you're launching from still, and I guess torque delivery has a big impact on how it feels on acceleration too.
 
#1,791 ·
brogrammer said:
They've slapped on the Michelin Pilot Super Sports to try to hide the extra weight around corners etc, as a base platform I don't see the mk8 having more potential than the mk7. Again I would love for someone to test this in the coming months and come back to prove me wrong. (But I guess top gear have already tried and kept the result quiet so.....)
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I do have to agree with the bit above, as a base platform for modification I don't see the MK8 as an improvement over the MK7 - that said, I also don't see any MK7s with the sort of power Josey's MK6 has...

What Ford have done is follow the money, which is not a criticism - they've made the car more grown-up for the average buyer, made it more efficient and kept similar performance which is surely a success? The only downside is weight, which is a problem all new cars suffer from.
 
#1,793 ·
brogrammer said:
Sorry what measured values are being referred to here? Anyhow would be interesting when some members on here come back with measurements.
It does have better tyres if you're launching from still, and I guess torque delivery has a big impact on how it feels on acceleration too.
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Posted by another member here a few days ago:

"Anyway you'd got me thinking about weights so tonight after work I drove to a weighbridge on a local business park to weigh my MK7 ST-1 to see what it weighs. The weigh bridge only weighs in 20kg increments, but with 1/3rd of a tank of fuel, a space saver spare wheel with jack, a variable boot floor, 2 boot liners, a foot pump and various other bits and pieces it gave me a weight of 1180kg's without me in the car (1260kg's with me in it),

Once I got home I removed the spare wheel and all of the other stuff out of the car to see what that weighed and it was between 25kg's and 30kg's.

So my ST-1 is around 1150-1160kg's without a driver and without too much fuel."

So i assume this measurement is correct (why should he lie owning a Mk7 ST himself).

ST7 Mk seems to be claimed 1165KG but w/o driver and few fluids. Some magazines also measured about 1250Kg with driver and 90% gas. If correct thats about the same weight as Mk8 ST.
 
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munky said:
How the hell does that bloke fit into the boot??
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Spare wheel compartment. :wink:

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Why is the weight of the car such a big deal?
It is what it is.

I almost bought the Mk 7, but there were other more important things than that keeping me away.
I bet it's more up to what driver the car has than weight when it comes to how quick it is.
 
#1,795 ·
brogrammer said:
I think the fact that we are able to even have this debate is pretty disappointing on Ford's part, after 5 years or so development there's been negligible real measurable performance gains.

They've slapped on the Michelin Pilot Super Sports to try to hide the extra weight around corners etc, as a base platform I don't see the mk8 having more potential than the mk7. Again I would love for someone to test this in the coming months and come back to prove me wrong. (But I guess top gear have already tried and kept the result quiet so.....)
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You say it's a disappointment, and I understand why in the world of cars getting bigger/better/faster with each new model. However, is it such a bad thing?

If the Fiesta ST keeps getting heaps more power with each new version, eventually it would be out of reach for some people, and arguably too much power for the road. I understand some people may want more, but surely you can move up to the next tier of cars and look at things like the Focus RS if that's the case?

I would rather Ford focused on keeping the Fiesta ST affordable and as fun to drive as it can be than chased outright power.
 
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resolve10 said:
You say it's a disappointment, and I understand why in the world of cars getting bigger/better/faster with each new model. However, is it such a bad thing?

If the Fiesta ST keeps getting heaps more power with each new version, eventually it would be out of reach for some people, and arguably too much power for the road. I understand some people may want more, but surely you can move up to the next tier of cars and look at things like the Focus RS if that's the case?

I would rather Ford focused on keeping the Fiesta ST affordable and as fun to drive as it can be than chased outright power.
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In the year 2050, if the fiesta hasn't worked it's way to 1000bhp, with option of a MT1040 kit, im going vxr.
 
#1,799 ·
resolve10 said:
You say it's a disappointment, and I understand why in the world of cars getting bigger/better/faster with each new model. However, is it such a bad thing?

If the Fiesta ST keeps getting heaps more power with each new version, eventually it would be out of reach for some people, and arguably too much power for the road. I understand some people may want more, but surely you can move up to the next tier of cars and look at things like the Focus RS if that's the case?

I would rather Ford focused on keeping the Fiesta ST affordable and as fun to drive as it can be than chased outright power.
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As the Fiesta got out of reach and larger, Ford would just start making the Ka+ desirable (now there's a leap of faith) and make an ST in that. The Fiesta has in essence become the same size of an old Escort and the Mondeo is probably bigger than a Granada, but as long as you can sell a small car for a lot of money they'll be making the smallest lump of metal they sell faster and more premium if there's a market for it. The names of the cars don't really matter - they only retain their relative position in the range.

My mate really hates it when reviews say something like "The Fiesta - looking good for a car that's 40 years old" or something. Given a new motor typically (although not in the Fiesta here, admittedly) has little or no crossover from it's immediate predecessor let alone it's grandfather. Lazy hacks.

But yes, I like to think that someone will always be making a funky little B-road weapon that costs buttons. It was 10 years ago now, but it seems a world away I was spending what I could get two new ST1s on a USED BMW 5-series to get my kicks. I can't see me getting anything other than a tiny hot hatch now.
 
#1,800 · (Edited by Moderator)
New Track Time with video proof:

Vairano Ring

Fiesta Mk8 ST 1:22,42

rivals:

Peugeot 208 GTi 1:28,50
Peugeot 208 GTi Anniversary Sport Edition 1:22,63
Golf VII GTi 220PS 1:25,51
Polo GTI 200PS 1:24,30
Abarth Biposto 695 1:22,56
Megane RS MK III 1:22,63
Golf V R32 1:24,44
Mini Cooper S 1:25,78
BMW M3 E92 1:20,20
Abarth 595 1:24,41
DS3 Performance 1:22,91
Mini Cooper JCW 1:25,57 (video on YT!!!!)

Conclusion; also on the next track speed seems to be comparable to 208 GTI anniversary edition. And thats fu**ing amazing if u ask me. Just 2 seconds slower than M3 on the track is awesome. To bad no times for Mk7 ST are recorded on this track. 3 seconds faster than the Golf 7 GTI rocks :)

Here is the flying lap:


Herw is flying lap John Cooper Works:


Watch both videos at the same time! U will see JCW loses so much time cornering. Straight speed is +/-1 kmh the same. Start JCW at second 18 and Fiesta at 19
 
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