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Hello everyone,

Autocar is looking for a Mk8 ST to borrow during the week of June 21st. We'd only need the car for one day (exact day tbc) and the owner would be welcome to come along on the test, which is a head-to-head with the new Hyundai i20N (no hardcore track driving, only road driving). Lunch provided, we'll send you away with a full tank of fuel and obviously the car will be in the magazine. You'll also have the opportunity to have a good poke around the Hyundai, and if we can get your initial thoughts on it for a sidebar to run alongside the main test, even better.

Location is tbc, but it's likely to be either in South Wales or Bedfordshire. The car also needs to be completely standard with low-ish miles, ideally. Drop me a message if you're willing and able, etc.

Thanks all,

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Ford have a large fleet of press cars, can they really not provide one?

Suggest you use a LSD equiped Mk8 (now std on st3) to give it a fighting chance against the i20N
 

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Hi, shoot is on Thursday this week, I'll be asking that question myself on the day as I am obviously looking forward to seeing the photos of my car! Quite excited, will be a new experience for me.

Edit. Also looking forward to having a good gander at the i20N - they have taken quite a different direction to Ford with a lot more technology on board, through initial reviews say the engine is a little lazy and in my personal opinion, the styling doesn't "quite" works - looks like it spent a little too much time at Halfords, but my opinion often changes when I see cars in real life. I initially hated the mk 8 too - thought the backside was too bland, a few years later, I absolutely love it.
 

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Hi, shoot is on Thursday this week, I'll be asking that question myself on the day as I am obviously looking forward to seeing the photos of my car! Quite excited, will be a new experience for me.

Edit. Also looking forward to having a good gander at the i20N - they have taken quite a different direction to Ford with a lot more technology on board, through initial reviews say the engine is a little lazy and in my personal opinion, the styling doesn't "quite" works - looks like it spent a little too much time at Halfords, but my opinion often changes when I see cars in real life. I initially hated the mk 8 too - thought the backside was too bland, a few years later, I absolutely love it.
Hi @Jimble I look forward to seeing the article. I don't like the i20N personally, I won't word my opinion of it here but I ABSOLUTELY can't wait to get my hands on the Fiesta ST3, the test drive seems like a distant memory👍🏻
 

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Hi @Jimble I look forward to seeing the article. I don't like the i20N personally, I won't word my opinion of it here but I ABSOLUTELY can't wait to get my hands on the Fiesta ST3, the test drive seems like a distant memory👍🏻
ST 3 will have you grinning ear to ear I promise - the wait will feel worthwhile :)
 

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Hi, shoot is on Thursday this week, I'll be asking that question myself on the day as I am obviously looking forward to seeing the photos of my car! Quite excited, will be a new experience for me.

Edit. Also looking forward to having a good gander at the i20N - they have taken quite a different direction to Ford with a lot more technology on board, through initial reviews say the engine is a little lazy and in my personal opinion, the styling doesn't "quite" works - looks like it spent a little too much time at Halfords, but my opinion often changes when I see cars in real life. I initially hated the mk 8 too - thought the backside was too bland, a few years later, I absolutely love it.

I totally agree with you on the looks of it, really not a patch on the fiesta.

Reminds me of the awkward rear end on the Citroen Visa GT with its slab like rear screen and angles.

I've said the same about the GR Yaris and that upset a few people. But it's in the eye of the beholder and be very boring if we all had the same car.

Looking forward to seeing the feature. It's amazing how much better a pro photographers pictures look.
I had a shoot for a buyers guide years ago with my Escort RS turbo for practical performance car. Was a bit of fun no driving just static shots at their HQ. Gave me several free issues which I already had and sent me a few copies of the feature magazine and serval months after for my troubles.
 

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Hi, shoot is on Thursday this week, I'll be asking that question myself on the day as I am obviously looking forward to seeing the photos of my car! Quite excited, will be a new experience for me.

Edit. Also looking forward to having a good gander at the i20N - they have taken quite a different direction to Ford with a lot more technology on board, through initial reviews say the engine is a little lazy and in my personal opinion, the styling doesn't "quite" works - looks like it spent a little too much time at Halfords, but my opinion often changes when I see cars in real life. I initially hated the mk 8 too - thought the backside was too bland, a few years later, I absolutely love it.
Hi @Jimble how did the shoot go?👍🏻
 

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Hi,

On the drive down I ended up in a rather strange convey for a long stretch, with a Lotus Exige in front and a Talbot Sunbeam(!) behind me, I was pleased to see the Lotus driver checking my ST Edition out as much as I was checking his car - I suspect rather more envy on my part through! Stuck the car in cruise on the way home this morning and was gratified to see 50.2 mpg on the dash, that's amazing for a car that's so much fun and makes long trips so much more affordable, I honestly could not tell when the car drops the cylinder to save fuel, and its response to throttle remains instant - fantastic technology and implementation from Ford.

The shoot was a great experience, a lot more standing around getting eaten alive by bugs then I expected, but I really enjoyed the glimpse behind the scenes and seeing/hearing my car blasted around some corners was fun - you don't get to experience your own car externally very often, and I am really looking forward to seeing the photos and reading the article. I didn't take too many photos as I was conscious of getting in the way, and I regret not grabbing some video when the cars were being driven - I was having to much fun at the time to think of pulling my phone out.

I wont say anything about Vicky's opinions as I don't want to ruin her article and its her livelihood, but my two cents are that the Hyundai and Fiesta are very very close, its a fantastic first effort from the n division, and a great addition to the hot hatch choices on the road. Personally I feel the styling is too busy, it reminds me of 90s/early 2000 era both in styling and approach - lots of lines everywhere, lots of technology for young drivers to boast about to passengers, but slightly less focus on the driving experience then the ST. I will edit and add a link to Vicky's articles when available.

Side by side, the i20n looks more aggressive, and on startup sounds it too, through oddly enough the Fiesta sounded more aggressive and fun under way - it pops and burbles much more than the Hyundai, which sounds great sitting in the cabin with the sound piped in via speakers, but externally sounds very muted in comparison. The fiesta seats win hands down, both in looks and seating position, but the Hyundai trashes the Fords entertainment system, its got an almost overwhelming choice of screens, options and setups. Ride wise, the Hyundai is even firmer then the Fiesta, but loses a lot of fun in the process, the Fiesta is just more fun on the road and easier to enjoy on the bends. Probably not a surprise, and written with an awareness of my bias being a Fiesta owner, but the Fiesta edges it for me.

Setting up the shoot, lots of moving the cars around to find good angles
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Decisions, decisions...
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My rather poor attempt, will be fun to see how much better Max's photos are!
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I was of course, an absolute gentleman throughout and stood on the sidelines while Vicky lugged the heavy equipment :D

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Odd feeling watching your car be driven away by a stranger!
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Setting up for the tracking shots - I got to drive my car for those, its fun to do but surprisingly challenging, you have to get far closer to each other than feels comfortable, new found respect for the photographers and drivers doing this weekly.
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Hi,

On the drive down I ended up in a rather strange convey for a long stretch, with a Lotus Exige in front and a Talbot Sunbeam(!) behind me, I was pleased to see the Lotus driver checking my ST Edition out as much as I was checking his car - I suspect rather more envy on my part through! Stuck the car in cruise on the way home this morning and was gratified to see 50.2 mpg on the dash, that's amazing for car that's so much fun and makes long trips so much more affordable, I honestly could not tell when the car drops the cylinder to save fuel, and its response to throttle remains instant - fantastic technology and implementation from Ford.

The shoot was a great experience, a lot more standing around getting eaten alive by bugs then I expected, but I really enjoyed the glimpse behind the scenes and seeing/hearing my car blasted around some corners was fun - you don't get to experience your own car externally very often, and I am really looking forward to seeing the photos and reading the article. I didn't take too many photos as I was conscious of getting in the way, and I regret not grabbing some video when the cars were being driven - I was having to much fun at the time to think of pulling my phone out.

I wont say anything about Vicky's opinions as I don't want to ruin her article and its her livelihood, but my two cents are that the Hyundai and Fiesta are very very close, its a fantastic first effort from the n division, and a great addition to the hot hatch choices on the road. Personally I feel the styling is too busy, it reminds me of 90s/early 2000 era both in styling and approach - lots of lines everywhere, lots of technology for young drivers to boast about to passengers, but slightly less focus on the driving experience then the ST. I will edit and an a link to Vicky's articles when available.

Side by side, the i20n looks more aggressive, and on startup sounds it too, through oddly enough the Fiesta sounded more aggressive and fun under way - it pops and burbles much more than the Hyundai, which sounds great sitting in the cabin with the sound piped in via speakers, but externally sounds very muted in comparison. The fiesta seats win hands down, both in looks and seating position, but the Hyundai trashes the Fords entertainment system, its got an almost overwhelming choice of screens, options and setups. Ride wise, the Hyundai is even firmer then the Fiesta, but loses a lot of fun in the process, the Fiesta is just more fun on the road and easier to enjoy on the bends. Probably not a surprise, and written with an awareness of my bias being a Fiesta owner, but the Fiesta edges it for me.

Setting up the shoot, lots of moving the cars around to find good angles
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Decisions, decisions...
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My rather poor attempt, will be fun to see how much better Max's photos are!
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I was of course, an absolute gentleman throughout and stood on the sidelines while Vicky lugged the heavy equipment :D
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Odd feeling watching your car be driven away by a stranger!
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Setting up for the tracking shots - I got to drive my car for those, its fun to do but surprisingly challenging, you have to get far closer to each other than feels comfortable, new found respect for the photographers and drivers doing this weekly.
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Your car just pops in the sun! Thanks for sharing the experience, all very interesting...I hope they were kind to your tyres😀My negative opinion about the i20N hasn't changed but the Fiesta Edition looks epic. Looking forward to reading the article and seeing the prof pics, all the best (Not sure if you ought to mask your reg plate...)
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Your car just pops in the sun! Thanks for sharing the experience, all very interesting...I hope they were kind to your tyres😀My negative opinion about the i20N hasn't changed but the Fiesta Edition looks epic. Looking forward to reading the article and seeing the prof pics, all the best (Not sure if you ought to mask your reg plate...)
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Thanks! It does, I absolutely love the colour, goes from pale blue to really deep depending on the sun - it made the i20n look very washed out, through the colour is nice in isolation.
re Numberplate, I do normally mask it but it will be visible in the magazine shots so seems a little pointless but I'll edit to be on the safe side.

Not sure on that 120n, looks like it could be mistaken for Optimus primes appendage, looks like you had a fun day though.

The rear is even a little..dare i say it

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haha, that hadn't occurred to me, but now you mention it...yeah!
 

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Great little write up and pics. Fiesta definitely wins on looks for me, personally think the i20 is hideous from every angle.
Thanks Twiddle. I found myself looking at individual parts of the i20n and liking them, but when I stepped back and looked at the whole, it just felt very 90s fast & furious and I disliked it - it just feels a little too try hard. The 20's market will probably love it though - I think its a very age subjective car.
 

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I can't speak for the styling, because I haven't seen it in person, but I hate the colour scheme on the i20N with a passion.
Red accents no matter what paint colour you choose, and the 'N' colour scheme inside is a pale baby blue that makes it look like it was inspired by a toddler's bedroom.
 

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I can't speak for the styling, because I haven't seen it in person, but I hate the colour scheme on the i20N with a passion.
Red accents no matter what paint colour you choose, and the 'N' colour scheme inside is a pale baby blue that makes it look like it was inspired by a toddler's bedroom.
IF you choose red, then you don't get the "red accents". But I agree with you, they just don't look good on the Performance blue color.


The back just looks way to busy and also agree that the roof spoiler looks like something bought from Halfords!
Though the I20N is one of those cars that does look better in the flesh.
 
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