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#41 ·
Jorg said:
We talk about the 1.5 litre Ecoboost I3 Dragon Engine. It has Definitivly a Camshaft/Crankshaft Chain.
But: the Engine Oil Pump Drive is separately!!!
Driven by a little wet belt. Please read all of the comments in this thread, and look at all of the pictures!!!
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Yes, I was very surprised to find that incorrect information from Ford back in 2018 and reassured myself by checking as many other sources as possible. Obviously they have corrected the document since. Many thanks for your own input on this thread which is very informative.

Shame about the oil pump drive though. I still have memories of the ease with which you could remove the externally mounted pump on the "Kent" engine!😀
 
#42 ·
Wet oil Pump drive is old ,,Problem "
Since 2012 in the 1 litre Ecoboost/Duratec I3
Volkswagen has it also at newer 2 litre Diesel CR engine. Nothing Ford special, many car Brands are using wet Timing Belt and/or wet oil pump Belt.
Ford 2 l Ecoblue also.
 
#43 ·
So...in summary...the "later" car owners amongst us just need to ensure we get this done at 10yrs or 150k...plenty of time left 🤣🤣🤣

And hopefully Thompasport in the North East are still going then 🤓🤞
 
#45 ·
Has anyone ever had a belt changed on the 1 litre Ecoboost with the cam belt in oil?

Mother in law had her 2013 Focus booked in at a local garage but they had to cancel it and said it was a main dealer only job. Mileage is under 50,000 miles but after 10 years she thinks it needs doing.

Is it a main dealer only? No doubt that will be big money. Guessing it's not an easy job for them to say that... unless they just didn't want the hassle of doing it
 
#46 ·
_jimmy_ said:
Mileage is under 50,000 miles but after 10 years she thinks it needs doing.
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Definitely needs doing at 10 years if keeping the car. This is the subject of much discussion on other Ford forums - we've seen main dealer quotes well into 4 figures.

Several independent specialists now emerging though, depending on where you are. North West Engines in Rochdale have had positive mentions, they and several others come up with a quick internet search.
 
#48 · (Edited)
Keithsson said:
If the car is 10 years old then its not a Mk8...
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It's not even a Fiesta!😀

Joking apart, a lot of confusion (and some very lengthy threads on other forums) on which 1.0 Mk 8s have the revised chain set up which appeared 2020 with the MHEV versions (125/155). It then emerged that the 100ps continued with the wet belt to the end.

To further confuse matters, there was a very short lived 95ps version which it seems did have chain, while some owners have reported that some early 125s were chain but not MHEV.
 
#49 · (Edited)
Wetherfell said:
It's not even a Fiesta!😀
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Yes, sorry to hijack the thread! I hope it's still relevant discussion.

4 figure service bill is not ideal on a car that's only worth a few grand. Apparently it also uses the oil pump wet belt so that'll need doing at the same time as the came belt


Yes, if going independent it will be very important to get someone that actually knows what they're doing, a specialist would be best. It would have to be local though as non car enthusiasts won't travel to have work done at the right place like most of us would. She's near Norwich
 
#50 ·
_jimmy_ said:
Yes, sorry to hijack the thread! I hope it's still relevant discussion.

4 figure service bill is not ideal on a car that's only worth a few grand. Apparently it also uses the oil pump wet belt so that'll need doing at the same time as the came belt


Yes, if going independent it will be very important to get someone that actually knows what they're doing, a specialist would be best. It would have to be local though as non car enthusiasts won't travel to have work done at the right place like most of us would. She's near Norwich
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Lol, I'm always wandering off topic myself!😀

Yes, I think all the cases I've seen have had cambelt, oil pump and oil pump belt done, which is logical given the labour needed to get in there.

One of the issues for local garages is the cost of tools required, including torque multiplier, so unless they're going to be doing a lot it's not an economic proposition. Hence we're seeing engine specialists stepping in. I've not seen any mentioned around Norfolk area so unfortunately its a case of getting on your favourite search engine and seeing what crops up.

I suppose one way to look at it is many engines need a belt change at 4/5 years at £450 upwards a time, so over a 10 year ownership the total cost might be similar. It's just a big hit on an older car though, and needs to be weighed against a whole new engine, eg:

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#51 ·
_jimmy_ said:
Has anyone ever had a belt changed on the 1 litre Ecoboost with the cam belt in oil?

Mother in law had her 2013 Focus booked in at a local garage but they had to cancel it and said it was a main dealer only job. Mileage is under 50,000 miles but after 10 years she thinks it needs doing.

Is it a main dealer only? No doubt that will be big money. Guessing it's not an easy job for them to say that... unless they just didn't want the hassle of doing it
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Yep, had my (now my wifes) 2013 1.0 Fiesta Ecoboost wet belt done July this year. Found an ex-Ford mechanic who is now self employed and working from home, who had the right locking tools. Cost £630 which I thought was reasonable compared to what I had been quoted elsewhere.
 
#52 ·
I have to say I'm a bit lost on this thread - excuse my ignorance.

What is the nailed down status here for MK8 owners in terms of future maintenance for this? Whilst the dragon engine in these is Chain driven, the belt being referred to in this thread - when does it need replacing? I thought earlier in the thread it was 10yrs or 150k miles - have I missed anything?

Cheers 👍👍
 
#53 ·
Richyharrison04 said:
I thought earlier in the thread it was 10yrs or 150k miles - have I missed anything?
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The oil pump belt on the 1.5* is 10 years/150k afaik. We had a slight diversion a few posts back into the wet timing belt on the 1.0 ecoboost.**

*Other than the early (gear driven oil pump) ones as mentioned near the beginning of the thread.

**Which went to chain drive/oil pump belt mid-2020 apart from the 100ps version, it appears.
 
#54 ·
Mr Bowcat said:
Found an ex-Ford mechanic who is now self employed and working from home, who had the right locking tools. Cost £630 which I thought was reasonable compared to what I had been quoted elsewhere.
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That's about half of the quote we got from the place we're getting the Focus done at. Where is he located if you don't mind saying?
 
#56 ·
I was looking at Mk8 Fiesta ST's and the wet belt oil pump drive has put me right off.

What an utterly stupid piece of design just to save a couple of pounds in manufacturing costs and a few fractions of a MPG in fuel economy.

It will effectively make many 10 year old cars an economic write off when the time comes to change it. (Maybe that was the intention?)
 
#57 ·
symonh2000 said:
I was looking at Mk8 Fiesta ST's and the wet belt oil pump drive has put me right off.

What an utterly stupid piece of design just to save a couple of pounds in manufacturing costs and a few fractions of a MPG in fuel economy.

It will effectively make many 10 year old cars an economic write off when the time comes to change it. (Maybe that was the intention?)
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Planned obsolescence you mean?

If they did then they clucked up massively by now having no hatchback offerings available at the point everyone's Fiesta falls over.

I suspect rather than 'write off' their cars, a lot of finger crossing will go on.
 
#58 ·
Yes unfortunately many cars now have lots of planned obsolescence designed in. They seem to be engineered to fail just after the warranty expires because it is cheaper to build them that way.
 
#59 ·
The future is a big unknown. Wonder how many people will be competent to do some of these jobs in 10 or more years from now, and will it be worth doing in terms of residual value of the cars anyway?

Last couple of years I've had a few days in Filey on the Yorkshire coast to coincide with the Trackrod Rally Yorkshire. My days of standing in the dark getting lashed by gravel in Dalby and Cropton forests are long past, but it's great to watch the start/finish particularly for the historic classes which are crammed with the likes of Mk 1 & 2 Escorts and have a potter round the service park.

Goodness knows how many times some of those crossflows, etc, will have been rebuilt in the last 40/50 years, but it's a whole different ball game with the complications of 21st century engines.
 
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