[Doobedoo]

Haven't watched the full video, but it does state it's the 1.0 at the start of the video.... which an ST engine isn't.
I'll be corrected if they do look at the 1.5 dragon engine later in the video, but honestly can't stand watching Mike in videos, so won't watch the whole thing.

It’s not the ST engine but it does have a wet oil pump belt.

 

[ydnA]

It’s not the ST engine but it does have a wet oil pump belt.

The main failures on the 1.0 are the main wet belt.

if you point out the point in the video where it states the oil pump belt, I'll watch that bit, but there's been no reported failures (that I've seen) of the oil pump belt that have then led to a complete engine failure.

 

[STfarmer]

That video certainly makes you think twice.....a good post 👍
Regular oil and filter changes are very important.
I did my own servicing in the Mk7 days and plan to service my Mk8 with oil and filter every 6 months and a major service with Mountune every 3 years. But I agree with you Doobedoo 10 years is risky.

Regarding the video......What kind of garage does the cam belt and not the oil pump belt 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤔

 

[Doobedoo]

The main failures on the 1.0 are the main wet belt.

if you point out the point in the video where it states the oil pump belt, I'll watch that bit, but there's been no reported failures (that I've seen) of the oil pump belt that have then led to a complete engine failure.

They are essentially the same thing just for different purposes, it’s the degradation that leads to the failure and in that case it’s bits of belt that have blocked up the pickup pipe and starved the engine of oil. He does state that the new cambelt is in a poor condition in half the stated 10 year lifespan.

 

[STfarmer]

Haven't watched the full video, but it does state it's the 1.0 at the start of the video.... which an ST engine isn't.
I'll be corrected if they do look at the 1.5 dragon engine later in the video, but honestly can't stand watching Mike in videos, so won't watch the whole thing.

Noted but I guess the principal is the same 🤷‍♂️

 

[ydnA]

They are essentially the same thing just for different purposes, it’s the degradation that leads to the failure and in that case it’s bits of belt that have blocked up the pickup pipe and starved the engine of oil. He does state that the new cambelt is in a poor condition in half the stated 10 year lifespan.

Condition of the belt is partly down to people probably using the incorrect oil which doesn't help the degredation of the actual belt. not 'sticking up' for a wet belt at all, but it's not 100% entirely the fault of Ford, people who don't service properly, just bung any old oil in their car, run their cars low on oil, or just don't look after them in general will probably find out they face problems later down the line.

Noted but I guess the principal is the same 🤷‍♂️

The oil pump belt isn't under as much tension as a welt belt, so whilst yes the principle is the same, it's not driving the engine

 

[Doobedoo]

Oil pump belt failure. Again it’s not the the ST but they are and can fail. I just don’t trust Ford on its service life recommendations.

Quality of oil and intervals will certainly help but it’s such a poor design choice by Ford! It’s caused a huge expense to owners for no benefit whatsoever.

 

[ydnA]

playing devils advocate but there's no proof that's a Ford engine, there's plenty of other manufacturers out there using wet belts.

 

[Keithsson]

Condition of the belt is partly down to people probably using the incorrect oil which doesn't help the degredation of the actual belt. not 'sticking up' for a wet belt at all, but it's not 100% entirely the fault of Ford, people who don't service properly, just bung any old oil in their car, run their cars low on oil, or just don't look after them in general will probably find out they face problems later down the line.


The oil pump belt isn't under as much tension as a welt belt, so whilst yes the principle is the same, it's not driving the engine

Sooner down the line probably.

 

[ydnA]

Sooner down the line probably.

can always say probably but without it actually happening and there being absolute proof it's down to the wet belt driven oil pump it's all speculation..
I'm not trying to say it hasn't happened and it never will, but I've not seen anyone have a failed engine due to the oil pump being wet belt driven, there's been a few examples of the earlier, gear driven pumps failing though.

 

[STfarmer]

What ever way it's looked at a belt in oil (whatever it's role) is problematic, requires accurate and timely maintenance which ultimately costs more. The old fashioned belt whacked on the side of the engine in air worked well for decades, was easy to inspect and cheap in comparison to replace. I love my mk 8 to bits, the best car I've ever owned but if I could change one thing.........

 

[Doobedoo]

So basically we need to trust Ford on its service life recommendations and with a hope and prayer everything will be ok.

I do all my servicing myself because it’s easy to do and saves me a packet, but now I need to remove my sump to inspect the belt and pickup, to insure that the belt doesn’t fail prematurely and kill my engine. So not only does my engine need more oil - 6.1 litres, but now it needs premature chain and oil pump replacement, sump bolts/sealant to inspect. For what exactly. I have a Nissan Pulsar Gti-R in the garage on a K plate that has never had a chain replacement…. Because it was never designed to be needed to be replaced prematurely.

 

[ydnA]

accurate and timely maintenance doesn't cost more.
If you service at the correct intervals with the correct consumables then you should be fine? In the hopefully unlikely situation you're not fine and you do suffer a failure, if you can prove to Ford you've followed their service schedule there'd be nothing stopping you from submitting a claim to them outside of warranty.
Only way it'll cost you more is if you want to change oil & filter more often, but that's down to personal preference.

Despite mine being modified, I'll be following the yearly service schedule, I don't rag it at all, admittedly probably won't wait until the 10 year mark to do the chain & belts, but that's down to me ideally keeping the car longer term rather than chopping in after 3/4 years.

So basically we need to trust Ford on its service life recommendations and with a hope and prayer everything will be ok.

I do all my servicing myself because it’s easy to do and saves me a packet, but now I need to remove my sump to inspect the belt and pickup, to insure that the belt doesn’t fail prematurely and kill my engine. So not only does my engine need more oil - 6.1 litres, but now it needs premature chain and oil pump replacement, sump bolts/sealant to inspect. For what exactly. I have a Nissan Pulsar Gti-R in the garage on a N plate that has never had a chain replacement…. Because it was never designed to be needed to be replaced prematurely.

Honestly, if you do it yourself, good luck with my recommendation above ^ if you've serviced yourself Ford won't want to know if anything does fail.
imo you're playing a risky game with the Nissan. "It's never had a chain replacement because it was never designed to change prematurely" so the life of that chain is 30+ years?

 

[Twiddle]

As this video is of the "notorious" 1.0 ecoboost, not the 1.5 which is significantly better, here's a scenario.

My 1.0 ecoboost courier van is 10 years old this year with nearly 80k miles, it's serviced every year with gen Ford parts and the correct specification oil, it also runs 160 to 170 bhp and doesn't have a particularly easy life.
I had the wet belt changed April including water pump and oil pump and all the pick up pipe bits new seals blah blah blah . . . It was about 800 quid at a local independent who was highly recommended by my usual local independent (who doesn't do wet belts yet)
When I spoke to the guy who did the job he said there was hardly any degradation to the belt and the pick up pipe only had a few bits of debris in bottom.

There should be no difference in the 1.5 life if you service correctly.

 

[Doobedoo]

Honestly, if you do it yourself, good luck with my recommendation above ^ if you've serviced yourself Ford won't want to know if anything does fail.
imo you're playing a risky game with the Nissan. "It's never had a chain replacement because it was never designed to change prematurely" so the life of that chain is 30+ years?

What does Ford want to know about all the Wet Cam Belts failing on the 1.0l engines? Diddly squat. But a basic service is such an easy thing to do so I have no need to pay someone to do it for me.

Yes the chain is likely still the original chain and never been replaced by me. The SR20DET engine is a known reliable engine and the Chain has outlasted what the Oil Pump Belt will on my Fiesta by quite a margin!

The point is why use a belt in oil to drive such a critical component of the engine in the first place? All they needed to do was use the same material they used to drive the cam belt and none of us would be needing to spend £1000 in order not to play engine roulette. Think of all those poor people that are going to be picking these cars up down the line and will not know anything about this issue. Bang goes their engines. Thanks Ford.

 

[TimST3]

Your Mountune price is about the same as the Ford main dealer price on the service plan.

 

[ydnA]

What does Ford want to know about all the Wet Cam Belts failing on the 1.0l engines? Diddly squat. But a basic service is such an easy thing to do so I have no need to pay someone to do it for me.

That’s where you’re partially wrong. Depending on relationships with Ford you can get things either fully covered or partly. Not everyone will get something, and where some people get the full lot, others won’t.
Just an example:
Picked my st up in September 22, by the time March 23 came around my rear brake discs were scored and corroded. I took it in as I deemed it as warranty issue, the car was on less than 7000 miles. Ford and the dealer deemed it as a consumable item, and it failed due to wear and tear. I kicked up a fuss and said normally yes but not in 6 months / 7k miles. Ford covered the dealer cost entirely after learning from me that at the time I had two cars on Ford finance, and my ST was the fifth in a relatively short space of time.


If you want to service yourself, go ahead, I’m not going to tell you not to or you shouldn’t, but should anything fail after the 3 year warranty on the engine Ford won’t want to know.
Service it “properly” with a VAT registered mechanic, using OEM Ford parts and it fails, and you may or may not get it partly or fully covered by Ford.

All you’re ever going to hear about is when people’s fails. You don’t get people posting about having theirs changed at the 10 year mark and it being perfectly fine… majority of people only ever post something publicly when it’s bad and they want someone (Ford in this case) to see it.



Have a none mechanical example:
Tried to update Nav and Sync, it didn’t register properly and I “complained” to Ford and they gave me a £50 amazon voucher as way of an apology, all in it took about 3 months. Mark (a member on here) took all in about 9 months for his to be sorted by Ford and what did he get? Nothing. Even after he further complained, Ford said “Nope, sorry, that’s your lot”



I was looking at 1.0s as a second car as I’ll need one for my new job but at the price I was looking at for one I can get something a bit nicer and a diesel which will be more ideal for the commute I’ll be doing, but regardless of age or mileage I’d have been asking for the belts to be done, unless there was proof they’d recently been done.

 

[Doobedoo]

My car is 5 years old so beyond any warranty obligations. I actually enjoy servicing my cars and given that my job means I frequent many garages including several Ford dealerships l, I actually trust myself to do a better job. On the plus side the money I save on servicing costs will actually cover the costs to replace the belt and chain.

Perhaps their schedule will indeed be conservative and as you say with proper maintenance this will be less of an issue. It just irks me that they chose to use a controversial wet belt to drive an oil pump, rather than a much better chain, that would never have needed replacing.

It’s just sad to see that in 2019 Manufacturers are still making such silly and avoidable design choices.

 

[Gedi]

Can someone please tell me, what’s included on the 6th service? It’s for a mk8

 

[STfarmer]

Engine oil and filter, air filter, cabin filter, spark plugs.
Brake fluid changed every 2 years. (So you'll probably need to get this changed too)
Be mindful of the coolant, I think ford recommend a change at 6 years (for the first one)

I got the works on my 6 year service mainly for peace of mind.