[AMc]

Even as a Mk8 owner, that comparison is BS, unless one car absolutely runs away and destroys the other over multiple runs.

Too many variables, the biggest being the drivers and their reactions times,

Look at tyres, gearing, engine characteristics, clutch types and then power, torque and weight and you will see that these cars performance will be nearly identical.

At the end of the day, we are talking about 200HP souped up shopping trolleys, how about 190HP, 180kg, sub 10 1/4s and 0-100-0 in under 10secs, 12k new price, thats performance worth talking about and thats just my daily commuter.

The ST is a great car for daily driving on modern day roads, a perfect package IMO, but performance car its not.

Nail...head...hit. :yep:

 

[G7COG]

Keep this on topic guys, there is another thread about the gas struts...

Selective much!?!?

Someone posts a video about how quick the MK8 is and discusses tuning potenital with no reference to weight. You join in and further that split of the conversation. Me and Kenthammer discussing weight of the boot vs gas struts. Off topic.

The moderation on here is so frustratingly inconsistent.

 

[AMc]

How is the video irrelevant when the weight is being discussed, hence the mention of the 5 door variant (weight of doors) given the 2 marques have very similar power outputs...

 

[AMc]

Not a performance car but has "Ford Performance" badges stamped all over, oh yeah that is just marketing, yeah but it has a performance diff as an option and more than likely a performance clutch and performance tyres, guess I will have go to trading standards then :facepalm: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

What he was getting at was that all forms of Fiesta ST and such like, are just beefed up daily, run of the mill hatchbacks. They are not specifically designed sports cars, like an Exige or a Cayman.

Sure, they're vast improvements over their Billy basic variants, and are a hell of a lot of fun to drive and do have some 'performance' parts in their DNA...but they are just mongrels at the end of the day.

That's why we all love them so much though, cheap thrills!

 

[PhDream]

Even as a Mk8 owner, that comparison is BS, unless one car absolutely runs away and destroys the other over multiple runs.

Too many variables, the biggest being the drivers and their reactions times,

Look at tyres, gearing, engine characteristics, clutch types and then power, torque and weight and you will see that these cars performance will be nearly identical.

At the end of the day, we are talking about 200HP souped up shopping trolleys, how about 190HP, 180kg, sub 10 1/4s and 0-100-0 in under 10secs, 12k new price, that's performance worth talking about and that's just my daily commuter.

The ST is a great car for daily driving on modern day roads, a perfect package IMO, but performance car it's not.

It IS a performance version of the standard Fiesta.

You driving a bicycle as a daily commuter is totally irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[AMc]

I was just wanted to cover all the bases when mentioning the 5 door variant before you jump all over the video, if was irrelevant Car Wow wouldn't have wasted the time recording the video would they?They clearly thought people would want to see the difference when buying a new car. I get you like your MK7 ST I liked mine even when went up to a RS I still missed MK7 and wished I could have had both, but the MK8 is clearly better car in every area that is progression, stop been so green eyed we all on here because we all like our ford hot-hatches I would still daily an XR2 and that isn't anywhere the performance of a modern hot hatch doesn't mean it any less of an icon both the MK7 and MK8 ST will go down as modern classics, we are living it a golden era at the moment before everything becomes all electric :thumbsup: :st:

It wasn't me who said the video was irrelevant bud.

I'm not green eyed or envious in any way about the Mk8 and have said numerous times it is a good car and progression from the Mk7. For me personally though, it is not a big enough leap like the Mk6 to 7 was for me to justify getting one. That doesn't mean I don't think it isn't good

We all know it has more power and torque than the Mk7, is slightly quicker to accelerate and has better bits and bobs like the optional LSD.

My original comment in this thread was to say the weight claimed for the Mk7 was incorrect as well as its power output. That was all, didn't dispute the fact the Mk8 was quicker.

 

[kenthammer]

I was just wanted to cover all the bases when mentioning the 5 door variant before you jump all over the video, if was irrelevant Car Wow wouldn't have wasted the time recording the video would they?They clearly thought people would want to see the difference when buying a new car. I get you like your MK7 ST I liked mine even when went up to a RS I still missed MK7 and wished I could have had both, but the MK8 is clearly better car in every area that is progression, stop been so green eyed we all on here because we all like our ford hot-hatches I would still daily an XR2 and that isn't anywhere the performance of a modern hot hatch doesn't mean it any less of an icon both the MK7 and MK8 ST will go down as modern classics, we are living it a golden era at the moment before everything becomes all electric :thumbsup: :st:

Had 3 XR2s in my younger days and absolutely loved them, one of the best cars of its type IMO,so get you there, but I have some performance LED bulbs in my garage but it means all, its just a word, I think its a cracking little car, but performance car, nah not really, its just a hotter version of what our Grandparents go shopping in.

 

[brogrammer]

3 door

You ain't going to notice a 100KG unless its strapped to your back. It's virtually impossible to compare with the seat of the pants feel, too many factors come into play, gearing, the way the engine produces power and torque, noise, where and the weight is distributed, etc etc. that's even before you factor in a multitude of factors like temp, road surface, tyres, and for ever on.

Even stop watch times are very difficult to make comparisons due to variables, unless of course they are so far apart to be obvious, but the basic performance of these 2 models is so close it will not be noticeable.

Anyway the way the tailgate performs, I reckon Ford have stuck half the extra weight in that :biggrin:

On the road you wouldn't sure. But on track, 100%.

I felt the difference clearly in my Cayman S at Bedford with and without a passenger between sessions, and that had 320hp. My passenger was no more than 75kg and I'm far from a professional driver. On full acceleration coming out of corners especially but also under braking.

If I had a rugby player sat in the passenger seat of a mk7 fiesta st with over 100hp less and smaller brakes, and I couldn't feel it, then I would be very worried about my driving.

That said, the mk8 has more torque and a lot better tyres, but there's no replacement lightness, my 2 cents.

 

[Madpig]

Grandparents go shopping in.

I don't know what your grandparents go shopping in....but I do know that as a young grandparent myself I do the shopping in my 375bhp RS!!

 

[Just_me]

There is focus RS where I live. Met him the other day. He was so looking at my car.

 

[AMc]

I didn't know cars had eyes.

 

[ST3spin]

I didn't know cars had eyes.

:lmfao:

 

[Just_me]

Lol. The dude of course..

 

[FiST]

So has anyone weighed a Mk8 or 8.5 ST?

 

[Jassyo06]

Est 1300kg

 

[Wetherfell]

The last figures I have from downloaded brochures/price lists have the following kerbweights:

Mk 8 3 door 1262kg

Mk 8 5 door 1283kg

Mk 8.5 3 door 1267kg (5 door not quoted for some reason)

(Ford figures include a driver at 75kg, full fluids and 90% fuel load.)

Magazine road tests often put cars on the scales to compare the actual weight with manufacturers claims but I haven't found one yet that does that for the Mk 8/8.5. (While searching I did come across one for the original Mk 1 XR2 which was about 840kg!)

 

[RS1750T]

Evo quote the Mk8 ST 3 door without driver as 1187kg and for comparison, the Mk7 St 3 door as 1088Kg